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Hey, everybody.
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How you doing?
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Welcome back.
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This is Jim Grisanzio from Java Developer Relations.
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And this afternoon,
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I’m here with a very special guest,
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somebody who’s going to have a slightly different take on things,
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a little bit of a departure here for Duke’s Corner,
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but I’m really looking forward to it.
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I’m here with Praveen Mohan.
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Praveen is the Director of Java Quality and Infrastructure at the Oracle India
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Developer Center in Bangalore.
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And that team and Praveen is a part of the JPG Group, the Java Platform Group at Oracle.
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And we’re going to talk about what’s going on in Indy with the Java Platform Group.
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Praveen, welcome.
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Welcome to Duke’s Corner.
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Hey, Jim.
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Thanks for inviting me to this episode.
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I’m glad to be here.
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It’s cool to have you.
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It’s really interesting.
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Usually,
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I’m talking to people who are,
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you know,
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they’re Java user group leaders or Java champions or just Java engineers working in
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the community.
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But occasionally, I get a chance to talk to
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other Oracle employees in the engineering group.
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And what’s really interesting for me is it gives me a chance to learn or to
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experience more of the org itself.
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It’s very large.
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It’s many hundreds of people.
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And also to see how various Java groups are working with the community externally.
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It’s a very, very important function.
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We oftentimes don’t realize that these communities are
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around the world,
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these Java communities around the world have tremendous amounts of support from
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various companies who in and of themselves involved with the community.
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And that certainly is no exception here at Oracle.
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So educate me a little bit, talk to me a little bit about what your team does in Bangalore.
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So, Jim, this team, a little bit of history, I will say here.
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This team was formed back in 2014 in India,
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which started with a handful of people,
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like three people,
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I think,
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back in 2014.
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So we were predominantly focusing on the quality and compatibility of limited areas
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within Java at that point in time.
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In the past decade,
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I think the team has grown roughly about 40 people right now,
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taking complete ownership of the quality of Java LTS releases.
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And we have a subset of people handling the infrastructure as well,
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the infrastructure that helps the build and test.
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As you know,
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the Java LTS releases are mainly targeting the enterprise customers who prioritize
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stability and security or latest advancements as these releases are deployed into
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complex production environments that keep running on a 24 by 7.
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The key expectation from the customer is the backward compatibility and where
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customers can just replace the existing Java with a new CPU release and everything
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should work seamlessly as before.
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That’s a key to the adoption of newer CPU releases,
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which also assures the customer the Java version that’s being run is the most
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secure and stable version for the customer.
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Hence, primary focus of
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my team is to ensure the newer updates which are released on a quarterly basis for
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the java lts releases starting from jdk 7 8 11 17 21 and so on are the most secure
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stable backward compatible enough and of high quality so
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That’s the primary goal of this team.
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Interesting.
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I didn’t realize there were 40 people.
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That’s really great.
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I think one of the things that I find interesting in engineering organizations is
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just how much,
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well,
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particularly for large enterprising applications like Java or systems like Java,
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is just how much testing is involved.
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So can you talk a little bit about just how in-depth your team has to go in order
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for Oracle to be able to say,
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this is a secure release,
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this is a stable release,
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this is of the highest quality?
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Because I don’t think,
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especially young people don’t realize when they’re in school and things,
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just how much testing has to occur after you write the code.
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It’s not simply just writing the code and saying, here it is, good luck with that.
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Yeah, absolutely, Jim.
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So as we all know,
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Java is being used on billions of devices,
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which are extremely diverse in terms of the nature of hardware,
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the architecture,
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the operating systems.
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It could be on different virtualization platforms, containers, etc.
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The testing scope is also proportionally much larger and wider here.
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The impact of any bug escape can potentially impact a very large user base of Java
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that’s available out there.
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So obviously, we need to cover a very large spectrum of use cases with our finite resources.
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And we have to be really efficient and effective in qualifying the releases.
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And this is typically achieved through robust automation.
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And we have a state of our
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state-of-the-art infrastructure,
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and we have stringent processes that govern what kind of content go into these LTS releases.
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To give you a perspective,
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I think we handle about seven release trains running in parallel for each CPU release,
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starting from JDK 7 to JDK 22 right now.
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we also cover we look at basically the functional regression compatibility stress
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and reliability aspects of java on across different os variants about 20 plus
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operating system variants and different architectures like intel arm and when it
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comes to the component specifics we have multiple different component areas within
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java for example you have
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Code libraries,
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security libraries,
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the UI libraries,
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the deployment stack,
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the installers,
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and various different components within the Java platform.
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And so each of these components come with their own set of complexities.
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For example,
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if you look at VM,
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you have to test multiple versions of garbage collectors,
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multiple runtime modes.
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Now,
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when it comes to security,
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you have different cipher suites,
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different algorithms that we need to cover,
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different protocols,
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and things like that.
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And when it comes to installers, we deliver various different sets of bundles, for example,
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On Windows, you have .exe, MSI, compressed archives.
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On Mac, we have different like DMG, PKG, those kind of formats that we support.
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So installer team will predominantly focus on those combinations.
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And for UI libraries,
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it’s mostly the kind of graphics cards that you use and the window managers and the
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kind of rendering pipelines that we have.
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So there’s a huge set of combinations that we are talking about here within the Java platform.
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And to give you a perspective,
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I think overall for each CPU release,
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we run about 50 million tests on an average across all these release trains to be
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able to say that the Java is of high quality before we ship it to the customer.
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So that’s the kind of complexity involved in this.
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Did you say 15 million tests?
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yeah so 50 million five zero fifty i’m sorry fifty what’s even worse that’s
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incredible that that’s really incredible um i knew things were complex but i guess
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the next question i have is in dealing with this massive complexity with just 40
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people obviously you obviously have spoke about you know some some automation here
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has to take place especially for 50 million tests what type of engineers become
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involved with quality engineering
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I don’t know, I’m asking the question quite ignorantly here.
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Is there a different mindset in terms of an engineer who deals with this as opposed to, say, development?
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The kind of engineers that we hire are full-fledged Java developers.
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And they spend pretty much, they spend as much time on the Java code as much in the testing as well.
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And they expect
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The limitations of test cases that we write in Java,
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the code quality should be on par with the product code.
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So people out in the community,
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they look at the test code and see how a particular feature is being used for any
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new enhancements or features.
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Test code acts like a demo for the customers, right?
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So they look at our code and see how to use this new feature and things like that.
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So in terms of skill sets, I think, obviously, we need very strong expertise on Java.
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But other than that,
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how this is different from the development is that one needs a lot of patience and
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perseverance to be successful in the QA organization.
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So basically,
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we expect a passion towards quality and build quality and build the ability to
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think unconventionally or out of the box.
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And basically, we kind of build a database around the errors that people usually make in the code.
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As you get experienced, you kind of by looking at the code review, you can figure out what kind of
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mistakes that people have made or usually make and those kinds of things.
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Usually people who are experienced have that database built in their mind over time.
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And basically you need a mindset to explore, right?
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You need to think unconditionally and do a lot of exploration.
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And so you,
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I usually tell my new hires like overcoming the trained incapacity with a questioning attitude, right?
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Question everything,
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question the fundamental assumptions and basically you represent the customer and
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so be the voice of the customer.
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So have a perspective of how this would be used by the customer and bring that view
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into the organization being the voice of the customer.
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So that’s key to be successful in the QA organization.
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That’s really fascinating.
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I’m so glad you answered it that way.
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It’s really educational for me.
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And it also helps to sort of remind me, I used to work in Solaris engineering at Sun and also at Oracle.
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Actually, my director also owns the QE team.
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And I’ve sat in many QE meetings,
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and I was always so fascinated with the mindset with just exactly how you explained it.
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These were developers,
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obviously,
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but they were writing,
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developing tests and test cases,
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and they were running huge systems that were running these tests in an automated way.
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And they really fascinated with me with this whole concept of test, test, test.
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Basically, it’s just core science, right?
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And I’ve also known a lot of Linux developers and also Oracle Database developers
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who really think in this same way.
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And I’m so fascinated by, this is one of the reasons why I do this podcast.
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I’m just so fascinated by how developers solve problems and how they think through
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things that are insanely complex and how they manage,
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how they build these systems,
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but also manage them.
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Just fascinating to me.
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Okay,
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so let’s switch gears a little bit here and talk about your team also has another function,
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which is incredibly valuable to Oracle,
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is that you guys are interacting with the community in Bangalore,
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the Java community,
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and through Oracle events,
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because sometimes Oracle puts on big conferences in India,
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as well as user groups,
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you know,
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the Bangalore Java user group,
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which is in and of itself massive.
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So let’s talk a little bit about what your team does at various community events in Bangalore.
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Sure, Jim.
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So Bangalore Java Issue Group is one of the most vibrant and largest Java
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communities in India aimed at fostering community relations and bridging the gap
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between the Java advancements and the developers.
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So it was also revived around the same time the Java platform group was started in India,
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which was 2014.
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And now in that last decade, this community has grown to 10,000 plus members in the community.
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And it’s no exaggeration to say that these communities such as Bangalore Jug are
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key to the success of Java.
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And one of the main reasons why Java is still vibrant after three decades and still
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remains the most sought after programming platform
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So the Bangalore JAGS involvement is primarily enabling the seamless adoption of
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new Java features and enhancements and ensure Java’s accessibility and appeal
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through ongoing discussions and expert guidance.
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And so,
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Bangalore JAG is conducting monthly meetups every month on a Saturday and has
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delivered about 500 plus technical sessions in the last decade through various
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Oracle in-house presenters plus community Java experts who come and present in the
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Bangalore JAG and helping the community to stay updated with all the new
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advancements in the Java space.
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bangalore jug so we also engage actively with i mean as a bangalore jug we are one
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of the organizers quality engineering group is part of organizing the bangalore jug
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and they also engage with the student community around bangalore from renowned
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universities and basically demonstrate i mean the students basically demonstrate
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great level of enthusiasm energy and motivation in learning java technology so the
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live interactions and guidance from the experts have helped them learn the
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technology faster understand the industry expectations and make them market ready
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by bridging the gap between the industry and the academia
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So overall,
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I think Bangalore JAG is playing a very vital role in ensuring the new enhancements
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and features reach to the community,
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and it’s still vibrant and kicking.
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So we engage with community.
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We are deeply committed to working closely with Bangalore JAG for the past decade
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in co-organizing the event,
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sharing knowledge,
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and seeking feedback from the community.
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solving complex problems.
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People come to the community with some production issues and complex problems that
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we provide guidance on.
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Also, we are helping with other logistics sponsorships whenever required.
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If the event is going to be conducted with an article,
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there’s a lot of protocols we need to follow in terms of enforced by the local
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security team and real estate and facilities.
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We facilitate those things.
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and for conducting the jug within the Oracle premise in line with the local laws.
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That’s really cool.
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I mean, I was aware the jug there was active, but I didn’t realize it was that active.
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And I also didn’t realize it was that big.
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10,000 is a huge number.
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That’s really cool.
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And also, you’re not just doing presentations.
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There seems to be interaction with the community.
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And so it almost implies that things go both ways.
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I mean, you learn from them, they learn from you, and it goes both ways.
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So I guess my question is,
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I mean,
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obviously,
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you and I are familiar with this concept of a company enabling its engineering team
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to directly interact with the community,
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sponsoring events and things like that.
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But for somebody who’s not familiar with this, why do you do this?
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And here’s why I asked the question.
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I have friends in other industries that are not so familiar with this concept of
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interacting with a developer community like this.
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And they’re not really familiar with this concept of contribution.
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I mean, this is a huge contribution that Oracle is making to the community.
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All this content,
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all this knowledge is being given to the community at user group meetings,
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massive conferences,
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actually,
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in fact.
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But we get something from it, too.
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We learn from the community.
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We get feedback.
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We product feedback, things like that.
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But can you tell me a little bit about why you as an individual and your team members actually do this?
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What’s the purpose for Oracle and also for yourself and for your teammates?
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So the main reason for this community outreach is that we are immensely benefited
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by the community as a quality engineering team.
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So we get to understand the developer views on the new features.
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We get to understand their pain points as to what things are difficult for them.
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Is it the lack of documentation in some cases or it could be that there could be
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additional enhancements on the feature which would help the adoption better.
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We get those kinds of feedbacks and also we get to know about this large to small
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enterprise use cases as to how the developers use the new features and resulting in
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much better and comprehensive quality analysis and better customer advocacy from
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our side.
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We kind of fine-tune our use cases based on these feedbacks that we get from the community.
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For example,
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what kind of system flags they are using,
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so what kind of GCs they are,
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garbage collectors they are using,
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in what scenarios.
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And we try to replicate similar scenarios in-house,
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whereby increasing the overall spectrum of use cases in line with how the
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developers and customers use the new features in the market.
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So that way,
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I think that is very critical for us in terms of bringing the customer view into
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the quality so that it aligns with what the customer expectations are.
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And that way,
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I think we are immensely benefited from this by attending,
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by organizing the Bangalore Jug and being part of it and seeking feedback.
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In fact, we also sometimes go to other conferences as well.
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Like the Oracle Dev Live, we presented quite a few topics recently, a couple of months ago.
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And we also get a lot of feedbacks from those conferences where people provide feedback,
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interact with us.
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But Jugg is more like a birds of a feather conversation where people get more time to ask questions.
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It’s more live interactions, which they probably don’t get much on the conferences you do.
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uh limited time and there’s a lot of sessions back to back but in jug it’s more
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like we have very less number of sessions we give more time for people to interact
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and they keep asking a lot of questions and they tell their use cases their
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pinpoints which is critical for us being a quality team so that’s one of the main
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reasons
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That’s really cool that,
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you know,
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you’re able to,
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you know,
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when Oracle runs events there in Bangalore,
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you’re able to connect.
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These are Oracle events.
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Now you’re able to connect them with the Java user group there.
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That’s that’s a huge, huge service that you do, but also
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I’ve noticed in some of our discussions earlier is that the jugs are getting so big
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now that they’re collaborating with each other,
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like in other cities in India,
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like Mumbai and Delhi and these different cities,
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they all have jugs and they all have very large jugs.
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And so these user groups are coming together to form conferences.
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And this is a phenomenon around the world, actually.
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I mean,
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some of the biggest Java conferences in the world started out from small user
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groups 20 years ago,
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15 years ago.
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And I always tell people,
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you know,
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if you’re starting off,
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the best place to get involved is a Java user group because that’s where it’s where
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everything starts.
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Right.
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That’s really fascinating.
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So but in India itself, which is where you are, the Bangalore jug also collaborates with other jugs.
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Right.
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Yes, absolutely.
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I mean,
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Bangalore Jug has been collaborating with other jugs in India,
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such as the one in Mumbai,
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Chennai,
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Hyderabad and different other cities.
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And to highlight one important thing which has happened is mid-2023, Bangalore Jug has organized
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conference called Java Fest.
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It’s a developer conference,
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which is non-profit,
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non-promotional,
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purely community-driven technology conference at one of the universities,
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Christ University in Bangalore.
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And this was a resounding success.
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So this was done in collaboration with several other JECs like Mumbai, Chennai, Delhi, and Hyderabad.
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And this had about 500 plus diverse participants involving developers,
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students and research scholars and various other people under one roof.
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And this was a whole day event having several stimulating sessions,
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workshops and discussions on the Java technology.
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Conducting a conference of this size by a community is no easy task.
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And thanks to the relentless efforts of the organizers in terms of scouting for the venue,
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finding some sponsorships and presenters and filtering through the topics and
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finally working through the massive logistics involved here.
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So as of today,
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I think as part of this successful event,
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Bangalore Jack reminds to be one of the most preferred community partners for
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multiple developer conferences in India and across the globe in terms of promoting
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developer-focused events around the globe.
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So we do have a standard set of people who come regularly,
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who find value in these conferences and also the
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regular jug sessions that’s because we have built that trust and loyalty and one
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incident that i can quote for that is that during the pandemic i think everybody
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had a lot of issues and people were trying to adjust to the new environment so
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people had a lot of restrictions enforced locally in terms of commute in terms of
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gathering people gathering etc and uh
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But on the other hand,
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people had a lot of time to spend at home and since they couldn’t commute anywhere
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and things like that.
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And Bangalore Junk Organizers saw that as an opportunity and quickly switched over
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to the virtual mode and made the frequency from monthly to weekly during that one year.
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And we have delivered about 100 plus sessions in a year,
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which involved from basics of Java to most advanced topics.
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also that was the time where uh the economically the tech sector was not doing all
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that great and there were people who were losing jobs and things like that and
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these kind of sessions immensely benefited the community in terms of upskilling
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themselves and
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With the renewed skills,
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they were able to quickly find new jobs and those people still come to the JAG on a
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regular basis and through which we have built some kind of trust and loyalty with
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the community here.
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And that’s why it’s still vibrant and after 10 years, still happening.
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Wow, that’s really a cool story.
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I really have to thank you for so much of this content.
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It’s really interesting.
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Whenever anybody asks me why an engineering team should participate in the
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community or even a company,
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really,
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why should a company participate in the community?
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I’m going to send them to this podcast right here because you’re explaining it so beautifully.
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And it’s really it’s really cool.
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Some of it I’m familiar with.
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I haven’t been around for forever, but some of it I’m not familiar with.
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And I always have to talk to people who are directly doing these things.
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And I think I’m going to reach out to some other Oracle engineering directors and
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managers and just engineers who are participating in the various communities
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because it helps the community grow.
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And we as a company obviously grow too.
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And this has real direct financial value.
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I mean,
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I mean,
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we’re selling products and services into a very,
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very large market that,
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you know,
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we need to know that things are secure and running properly.
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And it pays to have direct relationships with the market, which is the community.
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I mean, these things blend seamlessly.
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It’s always interesting.
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I…
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Whenever I go to a quote unquote community meeting,
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you know,
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it’s community sounds like,
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oh,
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it’s just all kind of happy and fun and everyone’s getting together.
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But these are people in our customer base.
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These are people who are employees at all of our customers.
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Oracle’s that big, right?
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So when you go to a community event, you’re really talking to customers at one level.
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So fascinating to me.
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All right.
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Well, Praveen, this has been great.
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Do you have any final words for us here today?
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Anything that I have left out that I should have asked you?
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I think I would take this opportunity to acknowledge and appreciate some of the
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Bangalore Jug organizers who have been running the show for the last several years,
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dedicating their weekends and conducting these sessions and helping the community.
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To name a few, I think Vaibhav Chowdhury, he was a former quality engineering group member.
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He, along with Satish Kumar Thyagarajan and Sovik Das.
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So these are key people who are the organizers from the community side.
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And we have a couple of people from Oracle Quality Engineering Group.
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Jayshree Kumar has been working closely with community,
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organizing these events,
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and also Fires from Java Sustaining,
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helping with organizing the events for the community.
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So overall,
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I think I thank these people who have taken a lot of their personal time for the community,
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and they’ve been doing a great job.
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That’s a really good point.
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I’m glad you said that because a lot of the time is personal.
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I mean,
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a lot of this is people feel very enthusiastic because when you work with a community,
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it benefits you personally,
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but you are doing it on the weekends,
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right?
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You are doing it at night and on holidays too.
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So we all do that.
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It’s crazy, crazy business.
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All right, Praveen, hopefully I’ll get down to Bangalore sometime soon and we can have some tea.
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Looking forward to that, Jim.
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Thanks.
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We’ll talk to you soon.
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Thank you.